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Re: Kerbs and Karting
Posted by 'itpro' on 30 May 2014 @ 01:21

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God...... I wonder about you lot at times.....:-

At many tracks, e.g., Rye House, the white lines are painted INSIDE the kerbs. In those circumstance, what is the POINT of the white line when the white line is to be IGNORED in the MSA 'definition' if there IS a kerb?

Secondly: please show me where the MSA DEFINE the meaning of the word 'Kerb'.... I cannot find one.... so....

Many dictionaries define a 'Kerb' as:-

"A stone edging to a pavement or raised path."

If that is what the MSA mean, then there ARE no kerbs at kart tracks UNLESS they are made of stone or a designed as a PATH. That would imply that there ARE no 'kerbs' at kart tracks and thus the white lines ARE the track edge for the WHOLE track!

Thirdly, if you visit Rye House, for example, there is a 'kerb' on at least one corner that is about SIX FEET WIDE. Karts REGULARLY have all 4 wheels ON that kerb..... is THAT what's supposed to be 'legal'......?

See the 4th image on this page:-

http://www.karting1.co.uk/rye-house-track-guide.htm

..... you'll see that Kart 87 is about to put ALL FOUR WHEELS ON THE KERB.... That is NOT what the MSA rules were designed for! Was it....?

Fourthly..... if the side of a straight is marked with a 'kerb' in places (e.g., a gully edge) then the daft wording of the MSA rules would make it legal to 'leave' the track while on the STRAIGHT..... is THAT what was meant to happen?

Fifthly.... If the karts may cross the white lines IF there is a kerb, does that imply that the karts MUST have come back within the white line BEFORE the kerb finishes....? That's NOT what happens

The solution to ALL of this is bl**dy simple.... even you guys should be able to get it! If the white line was painted OUTSIDE (or over) the kerb, and the ORIGINAL rule was re-imposed that the white lines demarked the track limits EVERYWHERE, then there would be ZERO confusion about what CAN be used and what can't. The white lines would demark the track..... END OF! No interpretation, no confusion about WHICH kerbs you can use and which kerbs you can't, no confusion about LUDICROUS kerbs like the Rye House example..... Put you wheel over the white line WHEREVER it is and you are OUTSIDE THE TRACK. In your terms: 'Simples'!

Why make the rules so contentious when it can ALL be resolved by painting white line WHEREVER you guys want to 'set' the edge of the track. It would allow you to show WHICH kerbs you can use and which kerbs you CAN'T. Personally, I'd mark ALL kerbs as outside the limits because of the damage done to karts when we USE the kerbs....but that's NOT the point of this subject. Simply decide what parts of the track CAN'T be used and paint a white line INFRONT of them.

Ian

Message Thread:

Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (28 May 2014 @ 16:51)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 17:01)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'raceinstructor' (28 May 2014 @ 17:03)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 17:06)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 17:11)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'raceinstructor' (28 May 2014 @ 17:15)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 17:24)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 17:32)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (28 May 2014 @ 22:27)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BilandRacer9' (28 May 2014 @ 17:33)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (28 May 2014 @ 19:23)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 19:27)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (28 May 2014 @ 19:45)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 19:50)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (28 May 2014 @ 20:00)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BilandRacer9' (29 May 2014 @ 1:54)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (28 May 2014 @ 20:13)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (28 May 2014 @ 22:08)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 22:32)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'buzzinrussell' (28 May 2014 @ 22:41)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'MaxRacewear' (28 May 2014 @ 22:59)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 23:25)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (28 May 2014 @ 23:22)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (28 May 2014 @ 23:34)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'rollover' (29 May 2014 @ 8:25)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'MaxRacewear' (29 May 2014 @ 8:56)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'd-i-y71' (29 May 2014 @ 9:12)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (29 May 2014 @ 10:41)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BilandRacer9' (29 May 2014 @ 10:50)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (29 May 2014 @ 11:01)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (29 May 2014 @ 12:09)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'd-i-y71' (29 May 2014 @ 11:59)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BanzaiBoy' (29 May 2014 @ 12:11)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'Flagman52' (02 Jun 2014 @ 11:06)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (02 Jun 2014 @ 11:12)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (02 Jun 2014 @ 11:37)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'd-i-y71' (02 Jun 2014 @ 13:02)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (02 Jun 2014 @ 13:46)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (02 Jun 2014 @ 14:52)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'd-i-y71' (02 Jun 2014 @ 15:01)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (02 Jun 2014 @ 15:39)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (02 Jun 2014 @ 12:45)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (02 Jun 2014 @ 16:53)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (03 Jun 2014 @ 10:25)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'Swampy' (29 May 2014 @ 12:31)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'MaxRacewear' (29 May 2014 @ 13:00)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (29 May 2014 @ 13:37)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (29 May 2014 @ 14:26)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (29 May 2014 @ 16:55)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (29 May 2014 @ 17:07)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (29 May 2014 @ 17:29)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (29 May 2014 @ 22:26)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' << You are here!

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PaulMRotax' (30 May 2014 @ 6:26)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'Graham S' (29 May 2014 @ 22:30)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (29 May 2014 @ 23:07)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BilandRacer9' (29 May 2014 @ 23:22)

Graham S by 'christkm' (30 May 2014 @ 7:30)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'd-i-y71' (30 May 2014 @ 10:25)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SLK' (30 May 2014 @ 15:04)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'moondog78' (30 May 2014 @ 7:52)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'iant' (30 May 2014 @ 13:57)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (30 May 2014 @ 15:43)

okay by 'PeterCliff' (30 May 2014 @ 15:55)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PaulMRotax' (30 May 2014 @ 16:37)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (30 May 2014 @ 17:15)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'Graham S' (30 May 2014 @ 17:48)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (30 May 2014 @ 18:13)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (30 May 2014 @ 19:09)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'SimonS' (30 May 2014 @ 21:37)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (31 May 2014 @ 1:55)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'christkm' (31 May 2014 @ 7:08)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PaulMRotax' (31 May 2014 @ 7:30)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PeterCliff' (31 May 2014 @ 11:34)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (31 May 2014 @ 18:33)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PaulMRotax' (31 May 2014 @ 20:24)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (01 Jun 2014 @ 2:26)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'Aquila' (01 Jun 2014 @ 7:24)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'BilandRacer9' (01 Jun 2014 @ 22:35)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (02 Jun 2014 @ 0:13)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'John' (02 Jun 2014 @ 15:23)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'PeterCliff' (02 Jun 2014 @ 19:13)

Re: Kerbs and Karting by 'itpro' (03 Jun 2014 @ 0:37)

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